More Satanist Cringe: Holiday edition

A Satanist shares how to cope with the Thanksgiving – Christmas season and the stresses of nosey family members, Trump-voting uncles, invitations to prayer and all that icky stuff.

Here is the advice in abbreviated form:

  • Know your own desires. If you don’t want to argue politics or go to church, don’t.
  • Know how to say ‘No’ – basically the same as above.
  • Know that sometimes you have to cut off family members who refuse to accept your allegience to Satan.
  • You don’t have to argue (see “No” above).
  • You are not alone, there are plenty of other Satanists out there willing to support you.

None of it is bad per se, just a little self-absorbed. Satan is big among frustrated snowflakes, it seems. The third bit of advice about cutting family members out of your life is something I have seen on the internet. I’m all for setting boundaries, but it strikes me as being extreme. I could see severe addiction or mental illness forcing that, but some people seem to invoke it for mothers who refuse to go along with their vegan diets or uncles who voted Trump.

I’ve never had problem fitting in with my own family, even though I have made some pretty bone-headed decisions in my life, but I understand it can be tough for some people. Here is my advice for surviving the holidays:

  • You are not as important as you imagine. Your family loves you but for the most part does not think very much about you. If they ask about your private life they are just making conversation. Feel free to wave them off with vague generalities.
  • Some people take politics very personally. Don’t be one of them. People are free to disagree and still find the good in each other. In fact, learning to love someone in spite of their opinions is a liberating and humanizing experience.
  • Learn to forgive, it feels good and does not mean you have to be a doormat.
  • If you have to set boundaries, leave a line of communication open and be unfailingly polite. Toxic relationships = junkie cousin who steals family heirlooms to buy drugs. You may have to avoid him for the foreseeable future. But keep in mind that people can change, or at least mellow out.




  1. Are you equating atheism with satanism?

    1. No, it is generally either a subset of atheism or paganism. The ones I’ve been highlighting are atheist.

      1. I see the paganism link, but satanism sounds like a religion to me.

      2. It sounds like that to most normal people. These are not normal people.

  2. always fun to see this “Satan is big among frustrated snowflakes, it seems.” on a blog that says “tolerance”. So, DP is trying again to conflate satanists with atheists. Christians to like to make such claims like they try to conflate atheists with nihilists. Fear makes them do a lot of silly things. Satanism is dependent on a satan. Atheists don’t have that.

    Let’s see how this would work if we put in Christ rather than Satan

    Know your own desires. If you want to go to church, do.
    Know how to say ‘No’ – basically the same as above.
    Know that sometimes you have to cut off family members who refuse to accept your devotion to Christ. (you know, like this

    ” Thus Israel yoked itself to the Baal of Peor, and the Lord’s anger was kindled against Israel. 4 The Lord said to Moses, “Take all the chiefs of the people, and impale them in the sun before the Lord, in order that the fierce anger of the Lord may turn away from Israel.” 5 And Moses said to the judges of Israel, “Each of you shall kill any of your people who have yoked themselves to the Baal of Peor.””

    “14 Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship is there between light and darkness? 15 What agreement does Christ have with Beliar? Or what does a believer share with an unbeliever? ”

    You don’t have to argue (see “No” above).
    You are not alone, there are plenty of other Christians out there willing to support you.

    Now, is that better? And why should I not answer honestly to a question.”

    1. 1) It is not my fault that so many Satanists are also atheists. If you have a problem with it, take it up with them.
      2) I didn’t say the advice was bad, just a little self-centered, so I gave better advice.

      1. Ah the “its not my fault” excuse. You choose to make such false statements, so it is your fault. Just like every theist who tries to lie and claim all atheists are nihilists.

      2. “In terms of theology, Satanists today can be divided into two main groups:
        Atheistic Satanism does not believe that “Satan” actually exists, as such; they do not worship Satan. They believe every person is their own god and that everyone should worship themselves. To them, “Satan” is a symbol of rebellion rather than a literal figure; they do not worship Satan any more than Buddhists worship Buddha.
        Theistic Satanism believes that “Satan” is an actual independently existing being, which serves as a God-analogue. While atheistic Satanists categorically deny that any gods or higher powers exist, theistic Satanists vary in their opinions:
        Most deny God’s existence altogether.

        Some believe that God exists, but is weaker than Satan
        Some believe that God exists, and that Satan is weaker and God will ultimately triumph over him — and they will be consigned along with Satan to an eternity in hell. They believe that it is “better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven”, as Milton said.
        Some believe that both God and Satan exist but that the final outcome of all this is unknowable.
        Some believe that God exists, but is unworthy of worship, and choose to worship Satan rather than show even tacit approval for such a God.

      3. and I don’t agree with the rational wiki. Atheistic Satanism is a oxymoron.

      4. I am neither an Atheist nor a Satanist so you are arguing with the wrong man. I merely report the sad existence of such people.

      5. aka “I was only following orders”

      6. Uh, no, pointing out facts.
        Oh, and since Atheistic Satanism clearly exisits, I am awaiting an apology for your having said I was lying about them.

      7. sorry, no apology since I find the term an oxymoron.

      8. OK, so to recap the discussion:
        Me: Here is a stupid thing that exists
        You: Liar
        Me: Here is proof of its existence
        You: I dislike your facts and refuse to join your reality-based community.

      9. nope, but you can continue to intentionaly misrepresent me.

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